Abortion: The Ultimate Exploitation of Women.

That’s a ridiculous title, isn’t it? Abortion doesn’t exploit women—it empowers them. Abortion is a legal right for women that permits them to do whatever they want with their own bodies. Abortion has freed women from the bonds of male dominance and biological slavery. It has narrowed the gender gap and elevated the value and role of women in American society.

Abortion is choice, and choice is power.

Men Started It. Men Oppress With It. Men Can End It.

And what’s this about men? They use abortion to oppress women? That’s just crazy. Why would men promote abortion? They don’t even have the legal right to influence the abortion decision. Socially, they aren’t even really allowed to talk about it.

We are told that abortion has nothing to do with men. It is a huge step forward for women’s rights.

There are three very good reasons why this should be true:

1. Abortion is legal in the United States, and that law empowers women. The landmark 1973 Roe v. Wade case effectively stripped men of any legal right to protect or terminate the life of a child in the womb. The Supreme Court decided the right to abort rests solely with women. It found that right in either the Fourteenth or the Ninth Amendment.1 What it didn’t find was any legal authority for a father to have a say about the fate of his offspring.

In two subsequent abortion cases, the Court threw out a law requiring the husband’s consent to his wife’s abortion and another mandating that he be notified when his wife was on her way to an abortion facility. As the Court put it in the latter case, “[I]t cannot be claimed that the father’s interest in the fetus’ welfare is equal to the mother’s protected liberty….”2 So far as the Court is concerned, men have no rights whatsoever with respect to their progeny. The so-called right to privacy, as the Court said in Roe, “is broad enough to encompass a woman’s decision whether or not to terminate her pregnancy”3—and to terminate the father’s rights, as well.

2. Abortion is a surgical procedure that, for obvious reasons, only involves the female body. Because women are entrusted with providing sustenance and proper living conditions for a developing, in utero human being, any changes to that process must be carried out within the woman’s body. Abortion is a surgical procedure that cannot be performed on men. Thus, men should not be able to dictate whether or not the surgical procedure is performed on women.

3. In America today, 40 percent of all births are out of wedlock.4 With 24 percent of mothers raising kids without a father present,5 women are increasingly responsible not only for carrying a child during pregnancy—but for fully providing for that child once she is born.

We often speak of abortion in biological terms, constraining the conversation to life inside the womb. But the implications of raising a child after birth are very much a part of the abortion decision.

If the father of the child has abandoned the pregnant mother, she is now put in a very difficult position. She carries the emotional and physical weight of carrying the child before birth, and she now can anticipate a drastic change to her lifestyle, expenses, and social status after her child’s birth.

The impact on lifestyle and finances are the two primary reasons women choose to abort in America today. A 2004 study conducted by researchers at the Guttmacher Institute— a pro-abortion organization—asked 1,209 women why they obtained abortions.

The reasons most frequently given: “having a baby would dramatically change my life” and “I can’t afford a baby now” (cited by 74 and 73 percent, respectively).6

Since more and more men are leaving pregnant women without financial, emotional, or physical help, the decision to abort should rest with the gender responsible for the entire process. Author Kathleen McDonnell summarizes this view succinctly: “Women are the ones who bear children. Women are the ones, still, who are largely responsible for their care and nurturing. It is our bodies and our lives that are at issue, so the decisions must be ours as well.”7

In a column responding to high school boys who petitioned her on behalf of the unborn child, Cleveland Plain Dealer writer Connie Schultz put it another way: “How do these boys figure that a woman’s womb is any of their business? How do men, for that matter?”8

Indeed, how is it possible abortion is anything but an empowering decision for women? If the Supreme Court supports the woman’s right to choose, biology mandates abortion only be performed on women, and women are increasingly being abandoned by men in the child-rearing process, why should men have any say at all?
For many men, it’s just fine that they don’t have the right to say anything. Their goal of using women to achieve their own selfish purposes has already been achieved. They now enjoy a new kind of freedom—a new kind of emancipation—because of a “woman’s right to choose.”

These “purposes” have very little to do with empowering women. In fact, man’s relentless promotion of abortion exploits women in the most personal, debilitating, and disrespectful way. It is yet another tool to persecute and diminish women, pushing them farther away from gender equality. In the process, men are doing enormous damage to the physical and emotional well-being of millions of American women and their families.

And men walk away from the damage with no responsibility or accountability. In fact, we are able to give the same passive rationalization we’ve been giving for millennia: “It’s her fault. It’s her responsibility. Not mine.”
How is it, then, that our culture celebrates abortion as a woman’s choice? It’s her body; it’s her life. If men are behind the abortion issue, why is it that women are taking full responsibility for the choice and its consequences?

The answer is simple: That’s exactly what pro-abortion men want our culture to think.
Early feminists were passionately against abortion, understanding that abortion exploited and harmed women.
In fact, I didn’t invent the book title, “The Ultimate Exploitation of Women.” The original architect of the Equal

Rights Amendment coined the phrase to describe abortion and its impact on females. Her name was Alice Paul, and she was a feminist.

But time, effective marketing and messaging, and money changed the culture.

And while men achieve their social and personal goals, women are victimized, yet celebrate their own exploitation and call it a right. Our culture bought the lie, and now millions of women celebrate their own degradation.

Women aren’t the only victims of abortion. There are many thousands of men who, today, continue to mourn the loss of children they had no legal right to protect. And there are untold family members of both genders who have been deeply wounded by abortion.

And, of course, there are well over 55 million human beings of both genders who have lost their lives to abortion— the most innocent victims of all.

If you are a post-abortive woman who regrets having an abortion, it’s important for you to know that I (and thousands of others) do not hold you in contempt or judge you. In fact, mercy, compassion, and grace are extended to you, and I hope you have found it or are on your way to doing so.

If you are a post-abortive man with regrets, know that I’ve spent time with men who lost children to abortion and are now deeply hurt because of it. In many cases it was your pressure, passivity, or pocketbook that caused it. In some cases, you desperately wanted to keep your child and had no legal right to do so. Either way, you lost. There is hope and healing for you, also, and I pray you find it.

If you are a post-abortive woman who does not regret the abortion decision and continues to favor abortion rights, there is no contempt or judgment for you. Abortion is legal, and you exercised your legal right to abort. I urge you, though, to confront the reality of the after effects of abortion and its horrific impact on society and your gender. And I will challenge your premise that abortion furthers gender equality. It does not. You are being manipulated in ways that are terribly unfair and unjust to women.

If you are a man who favors abortion (post-abortive or not), I challenge you to read this book and consider its facts. My hope is you will at least take responsibility for your role and acknowledge the degrading impact abortion has on women, men, the family, and society. Your active or passive promotion of abortion is destroying the fabric of what makes America great. This isn’t opinion. It is fact.

And for those men who claim they support life and true gender equality, I say this: Abortion will not be ended in America until you do something. As someone who sat on the sidelines for years, doing nothing to protect women and the unborn from abortion, I urge you to read this book and take action. I’ll give you some productive recommendations on what to do in the last chapter.

Just as abortion was wrought on America by men, it will only be ended in America when men stand beside women, as equals, to cooperatively rid America of the death and suffering. Don’t just sit there and say you affirm life. Saying you affirm life, but doing nothing, makes you irrelevant. Don’t be that guy.


I do not use the term “pro-choice” in this book unless it is a quotation. I use the term “pro-abortion” or “abortion proponent.” This is not because I am attempting to upset those who favor abortion. It is because the term “pro-choice” is misleading and incorrect.

There is a widely-held belief that one can be pro-choice and not pro-abortion. This means that a person supports the right to choose abortion but generally wishes abortion wouldn’t happen.

To be “pro-choice” means one is in favor of having options or choices. To be “pro-abortion” means one is in favor of the legality and practice of abortion.

I am as pro-choice as it gets. I am in favor of women having a myriad of options: where to go to college, what career to pursue, whether or not she wants to get married, who she marries, who to vote for, whether or not she wants to run a business, what she wants to do with her free time, whether or not to enter politics, etc.
However, I do not believe that any person, whether male or female, should have the option to take the life of another innocent human being.

The term “pro-choice” was invented in the mid-1970s to avoid using the term “pro-abortion,” a designation which “in the pre-Roe years had served as the standard label for a person in favor of legalization [of abortion].”9 Former abortionist Bernard Nathanson, a founding member of NARAL (National Association for the Repeal of Abortion Laws), the group that led efforts to legalize abortion, called “pro-choice” a “Madison Avenue euphemism.”10

The goal of this effort by abortion activists to “remake the vocabulary with which Americans talked about abortion,” as abortion historian Cynthia Gorney described it,11 was to take attention off the abortion procedure and loss of life, and instead make the issue about women’s rights.

But to be in favor of the choice to take a life is to be in support of the practice of doing so. One could argue that to be offered the choice to abort is not the same as actually aborting. But one’s permission to do something is condoning and, therefore, supporting that practice.

The opposite of pro-life is not pro-choice; it’s pro-abortion— in favor of the practice of abortion.
My goal in writing this book is to shed light on the victimization of women, showing that the female gender is under attack in America. While I am life af rming, I am also a proponent of true equal rights for both genders, and that is the focus of this book.

Ending abortion in America would not just bene t the millions of children who lose their lives each year. It would be an enormous step forward for women in their appropriate quest for equal rights and equal protection. And, if men would be so convicted, ending the practice would be a step forward in their quest to live out their appropriate roles as sel ess partners, serving alongside women for their shared and mutual good.

Brian Fisher

Chapter 1

Just a Women’s Issue?

There is no topic as heated, controversial, and emotional in America today as abortion. It seems everyone has an opinion on it, and expressing those opinions is likely to start a lively, impassioned debate.

In many cases, though, we don’t talk about it. Abortion has entered the cultural realm of  “religion” and “politics”—subjects we don’t talk about in the company of family, coworkers, and strangers. It’s too awkward, too personal, too heavy, and will likely invite conflict we want to avoid.

I’ve tested the premise that people don’t like to talk about abortion, and the anecdotal results are sometimes humorous, sometimes sad, sometimes frustrating.

The conversation may go like this: “So, Brian, what do you do for a living?” “I work to rescue mothers, fathers, and babies from abortion.”

Once in awhile, someone will respond with great enthusiasm, anxious to hear about that work.

Too often, the person will look aside. I have learned what that means. They are post-abortive and have just been reminded of it. Sometimes they will tell me their story, but most of the time they quickly change the conversation. I suspect most post-abortive people expect me to be judgmental and think ill of them. That’s not the case, as I have too often seen the intense pain and shame abortion brings. Abortion creates all sorts of victims.

Sometimes a person will immediately change the subject and go to great lengths to make sure we don’t come back around to that subject. That generally means someone is highly in favor of abortion and doesn’t want to get into a discussion
about it.

It is rare that someone actually engages in a conversation about abortion in America. Abortion has now been relegated to the dustbin of topics we shouldn’t talk about.

Yet abortion has saturated our culture and pervades just about every area of our lives. Statistics suggest every family in America has been touched by abortion in some way or other.



Consider just a few brief facts:

Abortion is one of the most common surgical procedures in the U.S.

It is the leading cause of death (heart disease kills 600,000 annually while 1.2 million pre-born children die each year from abortion).12

Over 55 million Americans have lost their lives to abortion since 1973.

3 in ten women in America are post-abortive by the time they are 45.13 This implies that around 30 percent of men are also post-abortive. (Post-abortive means, if you are a woman, you’ve had an abortion. If you are a man, you are the father of an aborted child.)

Abortion is an enormous industry, generating more than $800 million14 each year for abortion doctors, facilities, and providers. Black market industries exist around the business of abortion.15

Virtually every major city in America has at least one abortion clinic. Most large cities have several.

Pharmaceutical abortions (abortion using a pill such as RU-486) continue to rise in popularity.

There are hundreds of nonprofit organizations attempting to reduce or eliminate abortion, and there are numerous such organizations promoting it. There is no shortage of ink spilled over the abortion issue online, in magazines, and in the papers. It is a constant topic on TV, whether in our pop culture (16 and Pregnant) or in the news.

Our political candidates declare a formal position on the topic before every election.

Over the past 40 years, abortion has become part of our families, part of our communities, and part of our culture.

If abortion is so pervasive and common, can it really just be a woman’s issue?

The mainstream media and pro-abortion organizations continue to assert as much. Planned Parenthood, the largest abortion provider in the United States, celebrated the 40th Anniversary of Roe v. Wade by stating, “That’s 40 years of protecting every woman’s fundamental right to make her own personal medical decisions.”

Since Roe v. Wade effectively supports that assertion, it’s no surprise that many men and women fully support it, especially in politics and entertainment:

“I remain committed to protecting a woman’s right to choose and this fundamental constitutional right…. [W]e must also continue our efforts to ensure that our daughters have the same rights, freedoms, and opportunities as our sons to fulfill their dreams.” –President Barack Obama16

“Being pro-choice is trusting the individual to make the right decision for herself and her family, and not entrusting that decision to anyone wearing the authority of government in any regard.” –Hillary Clinton17

“Reproductive choice is a fundamental human right and we can never take it for granted. On this issue, you’re either with us or against us.” –New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg18

“The people who say that we shouldn’t have the right to choose, that the government should interfere with our womb, are not people who believe in helping mothers who are poor or psychologically or emotionally unfit or unable to have children….” –Jane Fonda19

“Can small-minded idiot blokes stop telling women whether or not they’re entitled to abortions please?” –Lily Allen20

“We are deeply disturbed by…the growing movement to limit women’s reproductive rights. And as Mother’s Day approaches, we join Planned Parenthood in their fight to protect women…across the country.”21
–Gwyneth Paltrow and Blythe Danner

“I support the Supreme Court decision that says an abortion is a woman’s decision, very difficult decision, to be made privately in conjunction with her religious beliefs, her doctor, her responsibility to her family—and the government is completely inappropriate in that decision.” –Susan Sarandon22

But is abortion really just about females? Is it just about their bodies, their choices, and their rights? Or is there something else going on beneath the surface?

Obviously, the act of abortion impacts both genders. Both males and females lose their lives in the womb.

Though there are numerous arguments about when an unborn child is a person or should have rights, there is no longer any rational disagreement about when human life begins. Human life begins at conception. A unique, completely distinct human being is wonderfully created at conception. She has all of the genetic material she needs to continue to mature through the phases of pregnancy, birth, and beyond.

The purpose of this book is not to argue the topic of “personhood” (which is dealt with fairly by Robert George and Christopher Tollefsen in their book, Embryo: A Defense
of Human Life). The process of assigning value to a human
life at some point beyond conception is subjective and
variable. Science has proven that life begins at conception—and that life is a member of the species Homo sapiens, a
human being.

Thus abortion is, by definition, the willful termination of a human life. Very few abortion proponents today argue otherwise—mainly because the facts of life are conclusive.

So it stands to reason that around half of the 55 million babies aborted in America over the last 40 years were male. Abortion most certainly impacts the male gender.

Ironically, though males are aborted, the procedure disproportionately culls unborn females through sex-selection abortions. Some 200 million girls worldwide are missing23 due to this practice, which takes place even in the U.S.24

However, not every human being who is aborted dies. There are numerous cases of “abortion survivors,” human beings who were aborted, didn’t die, and were then born. Many of those survivors are male.

Take Josiah Presley, for instance. Josiah was aborted by his mother in South Korea but survived. He was eventually adopted by parents in the U.S. and is a perfectly normal young man (save his left arm, which was presumably damaged in the abortion attempt).

Other men are alive today because their mothers, though encouraged to abort, chose, instead, to carry their babies. Singer, entertainer, and TV personality Nick Cannon and NFL quarterback Tim Tebow are both examples of grown men saved from potential death in the womb by their own mothers.

Other men were saved from abortion even though their mothers were raped. Activist and media expert Ryan
Bomberger is alive today because his mother, who was raped, chose to carry Ryan and place him for adoption.

All of these men have strong opinions about abortion, and their existence proves men have been profoundly influenced by it.

Should these men be silenced because of the impact abortion has had on them personally? Should men be silent when tens of millions of male humans have perished in the womb?



Much is made in the media about abortion as a dividing line between men and women. But the so-called “gender gap” on abortion—based on the idea that this is a women’s issue—doesn’t exist. Men and women think alike on abortion.
A recent Pew Poll found “no gender gap in opinions about
Roe v. Wade: Nearly identical percentages of women (64 percent) and men (63 percent) oppose reversing the decision.”25

The real split over abortion falls along religious lines. Fifty percent of people who attend religious services at least weekly want Roe overturned, while just 17 percent of those who attend worship less than weekly favor Roe’s reversal.



Men are welcomed to take a position favoring abortion. They are even welcomed to take a neutral, passive stance. But they are not welcomed to take a public stance for life. If they do, they are derided and accused of being anti-woman, anti-reproductive rights, and traditionalist. Sometimes just being a man makes you suspect to pro-abortion feminists, which is why attorney and activist Florynce Kennedy once cracked, “If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament.”

The educational organization I work for, Online for Life, recently released an iPhone app that allows people to pray for families considering abortion. One woman reviewed the app and wrote, “I have aborted several babies from my uterus. When did they (men at Online for Life) get vaginas? Oh wait. They didn’t. Good luck with this bologna.”

Another wrote, “Hey Brian, how completely self-righteous of you to proclaim you know what’s best for anyone but yourself. Especially in the cases of pregnant women, considering you’ll never experience pregnancy and don’t know their circumstances. This app is crazy town. Mind your
own business.”

The point is this: because the abortion procedure is performed on a woman’s body, men have no right to opine or intrude.

What abortion defenders say, in effect, is “You can’t get pregnant, so leave the abortion issue to women,” as life-affirming debater Scott Klusendorf points out. He calls it the “I don’t like you” objection. The fact is, arguments don’t have genders. They’re either true or false, regardless of whether they are made by a man or a woman.

If, as some have argued, the qualification for addressing the abortion issue is the ability to bear children, then Roe itself is thrown into question, and all the men who legalized abortion and work in the abortion advocacy business ought to look for work elsewhere. Seven of the nine men on the Supreme Court voted for the legalization of abortion. Should their votes not have counted because they didn’t have uteruses? What about the numerous men who work for Planned Parenthood, the ACLU, and other pro-abortion organizations? Should their voices be counted?

In fact, they are heard. The only voices not allowed to speak are those of men who are not in favor of abortion. As Klusendorf points out, the argument ought to be restated, “No man can speak on abortion unless he agrees with us.”26

Prostate cancer kills thousands of men each year. Men care very much about prostate cancer, and they should have access to resources in order to be properly educated, so they can avoid getting it. Does that mean that women, who don’t have male organs, have no right to talk about prostate cancer? Or do both genders agree that prostate cancer kills men?

Facts are facts. A person’s gender does not change those facts or reduce one’s right to discuss them.


We are inclined to accept that women should be the only gender with an opinion, right, and authority to choose abortion. After all, they are the ones who experience pregnancy, the abortion itself, and its after effects.

Yet more and more evidence suggests that men are also victims of abortion.

Dr. Keith Ablow, a psychiatrist, says he has “listened to dozens of men express lingering, sometimes intense, pain over abortions that proceeded either without their consent, or without them having spoken up about their desires to bring their children to term and parent them.”27

Shawn Carney, the campaign director of 40 Days for Life, witnessed the anguish of a Korean man unable to prevent his wife from aborting their child. The man begrudgingly drove his wife to an abortion facility in Texas and waited in their parked car with their two young children while his wife went in for
her abortion. Carney observed all this while standing outside
the clinic fence. After a while, the man left his car and approached Carney with a gut-wrenching appeal. Carney writes:


… he was yelling over and over: “I love children! I love children! Please go get her!” I moved closer to the fence, and he explained to me that he didn’t want the abortion. “Please, go get her!” he screamed. “Can’t you do something? I love children!” He pointed desperately to his other two kids in the minivan. “I don’t want her abortion. Can’t you go in and do something?”


Carney was powerless to help—except to pray—and, ultimately, the man who had been begging Carney to act started to weep in his despair. Unable to stop the death of his own child, he released his grip on the bars of the fence separating the two men and “slid to the ground, his shoulders slumped and heaving.”28

Another post-abortive male, Phil McCombs, a journalist at The Washington Post, wrote a public confession, laced with guilt and regret, of the abortion of his child. “I feel like a murderer,” McCombs wrote, telling readers that he made sure he was out of town when his partner got the abortion. “I was not by her side to support her. I turned my face away. My behavior was in all respects craven, immoral.” The child, who he came to believe was a boy, “would have inconvenienced me. I’d had my fun. He didn’t fit into my plans.… His name, which is carved on my heart, was Thomas,” he wrote. “I still grieve for little Thomas. It is an ocean of grief.”29

My dear friend and co-worker, Jeff Bradford, knows the pain of abortion first hand:


I hid and suppressed the realization that the only reason our oldest daughter was not alive today was due to my own cowardice. I went to my wedding, pretending to be an upright, moral young man with my bride dressed all in white. She was beautiful, and we looked great on the outside. No one could see the brokenness we were both hiding so well. We had aborted our first child just a few months before.

For 15 years, I was too ashamed to tell anyone what I had done, except my best friend. My wife and I never talked about it, we did not grieve together, and we hid it deep in the recesses of our minds. Our marriage began to unravel, and through extensive counseling, we realized how much of our struggle had come down to the decision to end the life of our first child. We began to deal with our own shame and guilt. We realized the extent of the mental and emotional trauma it had caused. There were many levels—resentment, a lack of forgiveness, feelings of abandonment—all revealed as we dealt with the reality of this decision many years earlier.

Now, as a father of four beautiful children, and through God’s grace, my wife and I are healing and have been married 20 years. However, there is not a day that goes by that I don’t regret my decision. After all, any good father would jump in front of a train to save the life of his child. The life of our first daughter, Sara, should not have been any different.


Not every story has a sad ending, though some are more ironic than others.

While we often associate abortion with a single mother and a deadbeat father, abortion frequently impacts married couples who already have kids. While we may feel disdain for fathers who leave their pregnant partners to pursue the next woman, do we also feel disdain for married men who want to protect their own unborn children—but have no legal right to do so?

Do we think that a father who has provided a stable, secure home for his family should have no say in the welfare of his own unborn child?

The day after Christmas a woman, we’ll call her Sarah, telephoned a local, life-affirming center (a local, community-based organization designed to educate families about pregnancy and options other than abortion). She had already taken two home pregnancy tests—both positive. She had decided to abort her baby. After she had a few questions answered, the woman said she was going to call a few other clinics. The center asked permission to follow up with her in a few days, and she agreed.

Sarah called back the next day on her own, asking if she could come in for an ultrasound. She had called abortion clinics, discovered she couldn’t get an abortion appointment in her own city for a few weeks, and was preparing to go
out of state so she could get the procedure done sooner. Because she needed to verify the pregnancy with an ultrasound before the abortion, she agreed to come into the life-affirming center.

Sarah came in that day with her husband, Paul. While she was having her ultrasound, the staff spoke with him.

“I don’t want her to get the abortion. I don’t like abortion and don’t understand why she doesn’t want the child,” Paul said.

Sarah’s reasons were simple. The couple already had a little girl, and she didn’t want another baby. She was going to school to get her degree, and another child would make that education very difficult to attain. She wasn’t mentally or emotionally ready to be a new mom again.

The center gave her the ultrasound and talked to her about pregnancy, the child, and her options.

The couple left. Paul wanted to have the child; Sarah was now unsure if she wanted to abort.

Several days later, the center called Paul to follow up. Paul was overjoyed to report that Sarah had changed her mind, and they were going to carry and parent their child.

“I can’t thank you enough for talking to her,” he said. “I so appreciate your help.”

Here’s the twist: Paul is a policeman. His job is to protect people, even if it means putting himself in harm’s way. Yet he had no legal or cultural authority to protect his own unborn child, whom he desperately wanted to live.

The moment his child was born, Paul would have legal rights as a father to do everything possible to protect and provide for his child. And his job requires him to do that for complete strangers every day. Yet, though he wanted his own child to live, he was helpless to protect the baby while she was growing in her mother’s womb.

These are just a few examples of the devastating impact abortion has on men—both those who support women in their abortions and those forced to stand and watch while their girlfriends or wives abort their children against their will. The powerlessness imposed on men by the law goes against our very nature as protectors and defenders.

So is abortion just a women’s issue? Do the millions of males lost to abortion have a voice? Do post-abortive men, who now often suffer in silence, have a voice? Do those men who want to keep their children, but are powerless to stop abortions, have a voice?

Making men sit on the sidelines because it’s a “women’s issue” conveniently assumes, but does not prove, that the
unborn are not members of the human race with the same dignity and right to live as the rest of us. If that unstated assumption is exposed and answered by the facts of science, we’re left with a discussion about whether it’s right or wrong to kill innocent, helpless, vulnerable humans—male and female—at early stages of their development. That’s a human rights debate—one in which women have no monopoly.

But, of course, abortion is legal, so why are we discussing this at all? After all, if the law says it’s okay, that means it is right and good. Right?